Advanced Estate Marketing

Booked planning sessions every week, from your own house.

We co-create a winning script with you. You just show up for the webinar and do what you do best: present, and help wonderful families.

Rob Atkinson
Rob AtkinsonFounder, Advanced Estate Marketing. Host of the Easy When I'm Gone podcast.
Millions in sales, for brands you know.Before estate planning, Rob ran digital marketing for companies like Casper and Purple.
A podcast with the attorneys themselves.On Easy When I'm Gone, estate planning attorneys explain the business to regular families, one episode a week.
A webinar with no attorney on screen.94 live attendees, 72% still watching at the 45-minute mark. The story is below.

Why attorneys say webinars don't work

In a seminar you get attention for free. They drove there. They shook your hand. Nobody walks out of a seminar room halfway through. The room does the work for you.

Online you get none of that. They're on the couch with the phone in one hand and the dog on their lap. Every minute of the presentation has to earn the next one. That is a different craft from presenting, and most estate planning webinars are a seminar deck read into a webcam. Of course people drift off. Of course it feels like a waste of time.

We've watched the webinars of some of the best-known seminar attorneys in the country. From the attention side, almost none of them are built right.

The part that keeps a stranger watching for an hour is the part we do.

An empty hotel seminar room at night
The room does the work. Until you have to drive to it every week.
A couple on their couch leaning toward a laptop
This is the room now. The script has to do the work instead.

Minute one, two ways

Most webinars lose the room in the first minute. Here is the opener we use instead. Try it on yourself.

How most webinars open

"All right, we'll give it a couple of minutes for people to join. Grab a coffee, grab a pen and paper, close the door. We'll be here about an hour, so make sure you're paying attention."

You've told them what to do before you've given them a reason to stay. Nobody likes being told what to do. They're already half looking at their phone.

How ours opens

Pop quiz, question 1 of 3

Three questions. Two rugs pulled, one win. By minute three they're leaning in and the husband is yelling to the kitchen that she needs to come see this. Nobody told them to pay attention. The questions did it, and the one we didn't finish answering is the first open loop. The script carries seventeen of them.

What we actually do

A webinar is six jobs. We do all six, in this order, under your name.

1

The offer first

Before any script, we settle what the webinar sells and what a family walks away with. Everything else is built backwards from that.

2

The script

The first 90 seconds, the open loops, the little yeses, the pitch. Every line has a reason. You go through it with us until it sounds like you.

3

The seats

Ads to a registration page that converts. We run the ad account and write the ads. You see the cost per registrant every week.

4

The show-up

Reminder emails that land in the inbox, texts, and a phone call the day before that asks what they'd like covered. The presenter hears the answers.

5

The booking

The webinar ends with a planning session on your calendar. Confirmations and reminders follow, so the people who booked actually turn up.

6

The numbers, then the next one

Registrations, show rate, watch time, bookings. We look at what happened, change what needs changing, and run it again.

Then it runs without you. Once the live version is dialed in, we turn the recording into an automated webinar that plays every week while you're doing something else. That comes after the live one proves itself, never before.

The one we ran with no attorney on screen

We ran a webinar for an estate planning firm in Florida. It was an odd setup. We were the educator, there was no attorney presenting, and a computer voice read our script.

Nothing about that room kept anyone there. The first three minutes did.

Put a real attorney on it instead, one who has done this for decades and likes to talk, and we crush it.

94people showed up live
72%were still watching 45 minutes in
0attorneys on screen. A computer voice read our script.

What attorneys tell us

We interview estate planning attorneys every week. These come up every time.

Webinars aren't worth my time.

That's what everyone who put a seminar deck online says afterwards. Your time cost is one hour a month to present. Whether that hour fills the calendar comes down to the script and the show-up, and those are ours to get right.

People don't take it seriously online.

True, unless the presentation gives them a reason to. A seminar room makes people sit still. A webinar has to earn it every minute. That's the whole job, and it's why the first three minutes get more work than the other fifty-seven.

I need to shake their hand.

Keep the handshake. The webinar fills the calendar. The planning session can still happen in your office, across your table, the way you do it now.

I tried one and it flopped.

We'd want to see it. Most of the ones we've watched were the in-person presentation pointed at a webcam, with the housekeeping opener and no reason to stay. That's not a webinar failing. That's a seminar out of its room.

Probably a fit

You already present and close in a room, and you know the room was doing some of the work. You'd like to do it from home. You'll give the live event an hour a month, and you'll let the script be built for a screen, with your input, round after round, until it sounds like you.

Probably not

You're one of the best in-person presenters you know, and you want the webinar to run the way your seminar runs. The handshake, the dinner, the room full of people who can't leave. Those rules don't translate to a screen. We'll work on it together and your voice carries the whole thing, but if the way it has to be is fixed before we start, this is never going to be a good fit. We'll say so in the first email.

Everything we do, shown on YouTube, free

Rob is recording the whole playbook as a course on the Advanced Estate Marketing channel. The actual setup, screen shared, for estate planning marketers who want to go digital.

Start with episode 1

Two episodes are up. New ones land on the channel as they're recorded.

  1. The setupClaude Code, the server, and the accounts we run everything from.
  2. Your ad account, wired to ClaudeSo you stop clicking around in Ads Manager.
  3. Image ads in minutes with Nano BananaAnd the spelling check that saves you from publishing a typo.
  4. Scrape your competitors' adsGetHookd, and how to read what's winning.
  5. Watch your competitors' webinarsWhen their ads turn on and off, what changed in the script, what changed in the offer.
  6. Start with the offerThe channel goes traffic first because that's where the questions start. We build the other way round.
  7. The registration pageThe one that doubled a conversion rate, and what changed.
  8. Show-upInbox delivery, text reminders, and an AI voice call the day before.
  9. The scriptThe pop quiz, the open loops, the little yeses, the pitch.
  10. The back endBooking, scarcity, and getting them to the planning session.
Rob reads every one and replies himself, usually within a day.